{"id":205338,"date":"2025-07-18T18:54:53","date_gmt":"2025-07-18T18:54:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/yogaesoteric.net\/?p=205338"},"modified":"2025-07-18T18:56:04","modified_gmt":"2025-07-18T18:56:04","slug":"transcript-of-jeffrey-sachs-interview-on-the-tucker-carlson-show-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/yogaesoteric.net\/en\/transcript-of-jeffrey-sachs-interview-on-the-tucker-carlson-show-3\/","title":{"rendered":"Transcript of Jeffrey Sachs\u2019 Interview on The Tucker Carlson Show (3)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The recent interview given by Professor Jeffrey Sachs to American journalist Tucker Carlson manages to shed light on the most feared conflicts of today: Russia \u2013 Ukraine, but also the new attacks launched by Israel on Iranian territories.<\/p>\n<p>Read <a href=\"https:\/\/yogaesoteric.net\/en\/transcript-of-jeffrey-sachs-interview-on-the-tucker-carlson-show-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the second part<\/a> of the interview<\/p>\n<p><strong>Iran: The Next Target<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/yogaesoteric.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/204443_1.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>But it all goes back to the same route. And the last country on that list, as you said at the outset, is Iran.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: That\u2019s it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>We were hearing this week that Iran is just weeks away from building a nuclear weapon. And so we need to take out the nuclear sites. We need to effect regime change in Iran. I feel like I\u2019ve been hearing that Iran is weeks away from nuclear weapon. For at least 25 years.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: Yes, for at least a decade and for longer in substance, yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>Is Iran weeks away from building a nuclear weapon? Does Iran want a nuclear weapon? Will Iran get a nuclear weapon? What is the truth about Iran?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>The Reality About Iran\u2019s Nuclear Program<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: Iran does not want a nuclear weapon. Iran\u2019s neighbors, like the Saudis and others in the Gulf, do not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. Iran\u2019s major ally, Russia, does not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. And Iran doesn\u2019t want a nuclear weapon. But Iran does not want to be defeated militarily by Israel, does not want to be bombed to hell by Israel, and does not want to be sanctioned to death economically by the United States, which the US has been doing now for endless years.<\/p>\n<p>So Iran has said for 10 years, 11 years, 12 years, unequivocally: \u201c<em>We don\u2019t want a nuclear weapon. We want an agreement with you. We want you to lift sanctions. And we want a no nuclear system and with all verifications and monitoring and safety as well. We want to have our nuclear power plants. We want our own military. We\u2019re not going to disarm in a region where Israel attacks every country in the region and by the way, where we have other enemies as well. So we are not going to unilaterally disarm in our region, but we do not want a nuclear weapon<\/em>.\u201d The truth is that has been known for a dozen years in detail at the highest levels.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>So what\u2019s the problem? That seems like a pretty good basis for an agreement.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: The problem, there is no problem in reaching a sound agreement. And by the way, with the nuclear power plants, which are in dozens of countries, the IAEA, the International Atomic Energy Agency, has successfully monitored and set up absolutely rigorous monitoring. And Iran is open to that and has said so repeatedly and has said it would work with the neighbors on the fuel supply chains and all the rest. There is no obstacle to this. And I think we\u2019re close to an agreement with Iran, in fact, thanks to President Trump, because Netanyahu says: \u201c<em>No, we need to bomb the hell out of them. We need to defeat them like we defeated Saddam and Assad and Gaddafi. We need to take out this evil regime<\/em>.\u201d That\u2019s his line.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>So it\u2019s not about nukes, that\u2019s what you\u2019re saying. You\u2019re saying it\u2019s not about nukes. It\u2019s about regime change. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: I think so, for sure. And that\u2019s been true all along.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Media Narrative vs. Reality<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>So why not just say that? Why lie? Why does <\/em>Fox News<em> tell me \u2013 not that I have a TV, but I hear <\/em>Fox News<em> is telling everyone every day that Iranians are moments away from having the nuclear weapon. \u2018We cannot allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon\u2019 \u2013 day after day after day. Why not just say\u2026\u2026.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: I believe that\u2019s true, and Iran would agree with that. Fine, yes, that\u2019s what we\u2019re saying.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>But if you went on television right now, if you were back on your old perch in <\/em>Morning Joe<em> and you said: Actually, \u2018Iran doesn\u2019t want a nuclear weapon\u2019, they would accuse you immediately of being an agent of Iran.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: They might, because maybe someone would tell them in their little earpiece to say that, because that\u2019s how it works.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>But you\u2019re saying that\u2019s true. I mean, you\u2019re acting like that\u2019s like a non controversial statement. Iran doesn\u2019t want the nuclear bomb. They\u2019ve said they don\u2019t, they just don\u2019t want to get attacked.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/yogaesoteric.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/204443_2.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: They have said for years: Remove our sanctions, normalize relations, stop trying to overthrow us. Tell your bulldog Israel to stop threatening us with war and we can have perfectly normal relations. And we don\u2019t want a nuclear weapon. It\u2019s a much bigger headache than we want. We don\u2019t want it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>That is not the story that any American news channel tells ever.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: I\u2019m shocked. We live in the world of narratives. You know, for many years the Iranians were asking: \u201c<em>How do we reach the Biden White House? How do we want to open up channels? We want to negotiate<\/em>.\u201d Of course they wouldn\u2019t talk to them. We know the situation of the President now. I mean, we knew then, but now it\u2019s confirmed. The President wasn\u2019t in any shape to talk to anybody. And the administration was the biggest foreign policy failure one can imagine. But the Iranians have been saying all along: \u201c<em>We want to negotiate.<\/em>\u201d And as soon as President Trump was elected, at least I got inquiries. \u201c<em>Do you know anyone in the White House? Do you know anyone in the President\u2019s team? How can we make contact?<\/em>\u201d That\u2019s not the behavior you make if you\u2019re relentlessly trying to get a nuclear bomb.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Iran\u2019s True Intentions<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>So what about the story that you hear endlessly that Iran is planning to nuke the United States? That that\u2019s on their agenda.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: Huh?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>Yes, right. So you consider that like insane.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: I consider that so bewildering. If a grown up says that, we need to have a long heart to heart talk about a lot of facts. But that is simply the most absurd imaginable idea. Iran, by the way, is a civilization of, by usual count, 5,200 years. Persia is the usual name given for Iran.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>Oldest continuous civilization in the world.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: Yes, it\u2019s arguably the longest continuous civilization, though many jump up and say: No, we are. Maybe the Georgians say it or the Egyptians say it. So I won\u2019t get into arguments among my friends, except this is actually a great civilization that has lasted for 5,000 years. They\u2019re not going to bring it to an end by bombing the United States and having Persia or Iran disappear from the world map, literally, physically, by atom, by atom, by such an attack. So it\u2019s not.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Iranian Threat and Historical Context<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>So why are we going through all this? I mean, the attention, the full attention of huge parts of the US Government, billions and billions and billions, trillions, over the years, of American tax dollars have gone to responding to this threat. We have bases all around the region all focused on Iran, which we maintain, including a huge one in Qatar, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. All of this effort by the United States focused on this Iranian threat that you claim doesn\u2019t exist.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: Remember that Iran was a democratic country. In 1953, the Prime Minister at the time named Mossadegh had this absolutely outlandish idea, which was that the oil under their ground belonged to Iranians. This was a very weird idea because the British knew it belonged to the British. The Americans expected that it belonged to the Americans in the new age. And so CIA and MI6 overthrew the Iranian democracy. Then we installed a police state known as the Shah of Iran and SAVAK, it\u2019s supposed intelligence and enforcement authority from 1953 to 1978 when the Shah was dying of cancer and he was a hated figure in Iran. Jimmy Carter was talked into taking him into the United States and that provoked the reaction of taking American hostages in Iran. And the Iranian revolution was taken badly by the United States. But Iran had been our fortress. And why Iran? Because this was part of our anti Soviet effort. This was part of our Cold War effort. So Iran turned from police state ally to America\u2019s foe and Israel\u2019s foe. And by the way, in 1980, and 1981 in particular, the United States armed Saddam Hussein massively to go kill Iranians. So we told Iraq: Go invade Iran. And we supported an absolutely bloody, disastrous war between Iraq and Iran. We liked it. It was the two scorpions fighting in the bottle, killing each other.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/yogaesoteric.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/204443_3.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>Fought in part by children.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: Yes, on the American dime. So our position towards Iran has been an aggression since 1953, actually. Remember, the American deep state doesn\u2019t care about any other people at all, whatever occurs to them. It doesn\u2019t care about the Ukrainian people, it doesn\u2019t care about the people we\u2019re, quote, \u201csaving.\u201d It cares about whatever fight it\u2019s in. The fight might be against Russia, in which case the Ukrainians are used. The fight might be for Israel, in which case some other jihadists are used. Whatever.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>Or the Kurds.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: The Kurds, or whoever is convenient at the time. So Iran is kind of amazingly incurring this for 75 years and for the last dozen years saying: \u201c<em>Peace, come on, make peace<\/em>.\u201d President Trump is close to it right now. Again, as in all the other cases we have been discussing, the deep state narrative is deep. It\u2019s long standing. It\u2019s not shallow. It\u2019s pretty much empty. It\u2019s pretty much concocted, but it\u2019s deep. And so, in order to overcome the deep state \u2013 in this case, it\u2019s the Israel or Zionist lobby, because it\u2019s got a pretty complicated domestic heritage and base \u2013 in order to overcome what has been 20 years of wars of choice in the Middle East, and to stop them, it requires a lot of political capital and attention by President Trump. Just like in Ukraine, he\u2019s on the right track, but he\u2019s getting attacked by everybody for being on the right track, and he\u2019s trying to express America\u2019s real interest. America cannot have a war with Iran, by the way. It would lead to a regional war. It would be costly, bloody, threatening. And on January 17th of this year, Iran signed a security agreement with Russia. So it would just open up another front of potential nuclear war. President Trump is smart. He\u2019s trying to avoid this. Everyone\u2019s shouting at him: \u201c<em>Don\u2019t avoid it. Go to war<\/em>.\u201d And for the president to prevail, he has all the authority he needs. But this noise is incessant. And the arrogance of a Lindsey Graham or the American Congress that thinks we can do whatever we want, wherever we want and win whenever we want, when everything has been trillions of dollars of cost in one disaster after another, that arrogance actually continues until today. It\u2019s not fear, it\u2019s arrogance. That\u2019s the fundamental driver.<\/p>\n<p><strong>America\u2019s Military Track Record<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>They haven\u2019t won a war in 80 years, so the US military has not won a war in 80 years. So I\u2019m not attacking anyone. I say that with sadness, but I don\u2019t understand on what basis this optimism arises.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: The optimism is misplaced, let us say, because these people have gotten us into one debacle after another. And if, you know, when Lindsey \u2013 I\u2019m going to pick on Lindsey Graham again, because he\u2019s been the biggest warmonger in the Senate \u2013 when he speaks, if there were little logos on the screen: \u201c<em>Iraq war supporter<\/em>\u201d, people understood: \u201c<em>So this guy\u2019s wrong five wars in a row, then, okay, we let him speak and let everyone understand<\/em>.\u201d This guy gets it wrong every single time. And that\u2019s true of most of these warmongers. But I think this will continue, unfortunately, as long as we don\u2019t have peace a little bit further to the west of Iran, and that is why we need Israel and Palestine, two states living in peace, and not this plan, this \u201cclean break\u201d that is breaking us for 30 years. In other words, the harder work even than avoiding the war with Iran is the United States finally telling Israel: \u201c<em>Come on, there\u2019s a limit. You reached it, you exceeded it.<\/em>\u201d Those words need to be uttered, and they haven\u2019t been uttered to this day. 53 million deaths of women and children and everyone else. The United States needs to say: \u201c<em>You crossed the line<\/em>.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>Say that to the Prime Minister of Israel.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: Say that to the Israeli people and to the Prime Minister: \u201c<em>We no longer support this<\/em>.\u201d And that\u2019s hard in American politics.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>Why?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>The Middle East Peace Solution<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: It\u2019s hard because the narrative for decades has been the opposite. Because Americans don\u2019t understand how much we have paid for these terrible, absurd, deadly Israeli led or provoked or desired wars. And because there are deep beliefs and misunderstandings about the region that are just reproduced and replicated over time. Again, just like Iran, I deal every day with diplomats from around the world. It\u2019s my privilege and good luck that I speak with leaders all over the Middle East. For example, in Egypt, in Saudi, in Jordan, in Turkey, in Iran. All over the Middle East. They have said to me for years and years and years: \u201c<em>If there is a state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel, we normalize relations with Israel. We of course, support the mutual security of the two states. We do business, we do everything<\/em>.\u201d And they have said that not only privately, to me, at length, explaining the situation, but publicly in what\u2019s called the Arab Peace Initiative, which goes back to 2002. So it\u2019s been 23 years where the Arab states have been saying this clearly.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/yogaesoteric.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/204443_4.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: When Israel says there\u2019s no one to talk to, there\u2019s everyone to talk to. Everyone wants peace, quiet and economic development, believe it or not. They want to live their lives. They want their children to grow up. They actually want to have building, construction. They\u2019re worried about their physical lives, their jobs, everything. And they want peace. And they know that there can\u2019t be economic development unless there\u2019s peace. So if you ask: <em>Why is it?<\/em> There is no deep reason why there isn\u2019t two states living peacefully side by side. The idea \u201c<em>Hamas, Hamas!!!<\/em>\u201d This is a narrative, this is a gimmick, this is a lie. Hamas would go the first day, if the United States said, \u201c<em>Yes, we support a Palestinian state, but it\u2019s got to be peaceful, it\u2019s got to be disarmed<\/em>\u201d. That\u2019s fine. Everyone agrees with this, no one disagrees with this. But what we don\u2019t hear and get an explanation of \u2013 and this is what people need to understand \u2013 Netanyahu\u2019s completely uninterested in that. Totally, totally uninterested in that. He doesn\u2019t say: \u201c<em>Oh, we need to defeat Hamas, then there can be a Palestinian state<\/em>.\u201d No, of course not. Because that\u2019s fundamentally not the idea. Fundamentally the idea is: We defeat Hamas. We rule. Of course we rule. This is ours!<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Practical Reality on the Ground<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>But the problem is \u2013 leaving aside who\u2019s right, who\u2019s wrong, the philosophical and moral justifications for this or that policy \u2013 there are millions of people living there.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: Well, that\u2019s the point. Exactly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>Right? So as a practical matter, what do you do with them? I mean, even people get caught up in, like, 1947 and, you know, settlers from Eastern Europe and they\u2019re mad about this. You could ignore all history and folk, just pretend the world started January 1, 2025, and you\u2019ve got millions of people living there. What are you going to do with them? I don\u2019t understand.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: You are so correct. There are 8 million Jews, there are 8 million Palestinian Arabs.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>So what\u2019s the plan? I just want to know what the plan is.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: The plan?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>You can\u2019t get to the plan the second you ask. It\u2019s like: Oh, you\u2019re working for Qatar.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: The answer is simple. The plan is something else. The answer is simple. Two places, one for the Palestinians, one for the Israelis. That\u2019s simple and it\u2019s not even hard. And I\u2019ve had generals from Israel recently telling me: \u201c<em>No, it\u2019s not even a security issue. And here\u2019s how the borders go and all the rest<\/em>.\u201d The plan is: how do you overcome the remaining US complete intransigence on this. That\u2019s the issue.<\/p>\n<p><strong>America\u2019s National Interest<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>But why do we care? It\u2019s in our interest. So that\u2019s what\u2019s confusing. We don\u2019t have an inherent national interest there. There\u2019s no oil there, for example. It\u2019s not like it\u2019s an energy concern for us. So why do we care and what are the options? What do you do with 8 million people? You can\u2019t send them somewhere. What are they thinking?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: You said the magic word. And I hope that President Trump gets this, because it\u2019s his core philosophy. Peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians is America\u2019s interest. Again, not even on moral grounds, just the most practical grounds. Keep us out of nuclear war, keep us out of regional war, have economic development, build, have business, everything, have normalization.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/yogaesoteric.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/204443_5.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>No more 9\/11s. Osama bin Laden said that he planned 9\/11 in part because of what was going on between Israel and the Palestinians and America\u2019s support for Israel. Now, no one wanted to hear that. They called you names if you said it. I\u2019m not on Osama bin Laden\u2019s side, obviously. I totally disapprove of Osama bin Laden, but that\u2019s a fact. So why would we want to expose ourselves to more of that? Why not try and get this fixed?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: This is the key to every issue we\u2019re talking about. What is America\u2019s national interest in the context of Ukraine and Russia? Is it for Ukraine to be blowing up Russian strategic bombers, or is it for Ukraine to be a neutral country without NATO? It\u2019s the second. What is America\u2019s national interest vis a vis Iran? It is no nuclear weapons in Iran and peace, no war. What is America\u2019s interest in Israel and Palestine? It is 8 million Palestinians for Palestine and 8 million Israelis living in Israel in peace. And please, if I could say it this way: \u201c<em>Shut up a little bit. No more wars that were dragged into you guys. Just live<\/em>.\u201d That\u2019s America\u2019s real interest.<\/p>\n<p>So if the President follows through on America\u2019s national interest, not on the grandiosity that we can do anything we want, anywhere we want, because we are the United States of America and our mission is to defeat Russia, or our mission is to defeat Iran, or our mission is Greater Israel, if we follow the American national interest, it\u2019s absolutely straightforward what to do. It is no war with Iran and negotiated treaty. It is two states, Israel and Palestine. It is a neutral Ukraine. President Trump has all of that close, close at hand, but everyone requires his attention. This is hard because every one of them confronts a narrative that\u2019s 30 years old or 50 years old, that is deeply entrenched, that is fundamentally based on the premise that America can do what it wants anywhere in the world because it\u2019s all powerful.<\/p>\n<p>At the core of everything, Tucker, is a kind of arrogance of power that has been proved to be wrong from Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Sudan, Somalia, Syria, Iraq. It\u2019s not that we\u2019re hopeless and helpless. And I\u2019m not defeatist in that way. I\u2019m saying that if you choose the wrong battles, you can\u2019t win those battles. If you choose battles that are not in America\u2019s interest, you\u2019ll go away because they\u2019re not. Afghanistan wasn\u2019t fundamentally in America\u2019s interest, or Iraq wasn\u2019t fundamentally in America\u2019s interest, or Ukraine wasn\u2019t fundamentally in America\u2019s interest. And by the way, that\u2019s also not isolationism. That\u2019s just being smart, prudent, normal, and also recognizing: Don\u2019t be so afraid. Our only risk in the United States, honestly \u2013 now we know it\u2019s not the UFOs, that was a concocted issue of the Air Force \u2013 our only risk is a nuclear war. Stay clear of a nuclear war, please. Stay clear of these ultimate confrontations. Don\u2019t fight Russia to the end. It\u2019s a great power. You can live side by side with it. Same with China. Come on, just be normal and we can have secure, prosperous lives for all of us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>When you overstate your power, your power evaporates. The US is so much less powerful than it was before the invasion of Afghanistan.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>The Current State of Global Risk<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: We are so much more risk objectively than we were before. And anyone that measures risk, I often refer to this Doomsday Clock of the <em>Bulletin of Atomic Scientists<\/em>, which says we\u2019re closer to nuclear Armageddon than ever before in human history. This is crazy. We should be as far away. I was there. As I said in the Kremlin in December 1991, the Doomsday Clock was 17 minutes away from midnight because we have peace. Now we\u2019re 89 seconds to midnight. Are you kidding? How did we squander this? Because we did so many Israeli provoked wars, because we had to expand NATO to Russia\u2019s border, blah, blah, blah. None of this is for America\u2019s interest. And it\u2019s objectively the case.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Qatar\u2019s Role in American Media and Politics<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>Let me ask you one last question. You said that most of the storylines, the narratives are 30 years old, and I think that\u2019s exactly right. It does feel like it could be 1995 again. But there is one new one, and that is Qatar. Very small Gulf state, wholly within Saudi, I think the largest natural gas field in the world, biggest American air base in the region. That country is like a powerful enemy of the United States and is controlling America\u2019s media, controlling America\u2019s higher education system and that most bad things and all bad opinions come from Qatar and Qatari propaganda. Are you familiar with this argument?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: Not quite, but I am familiar with Qatar, yes.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/yogaesoteric.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/204443_6.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>So what do you assess Qatar\u2019s role in the United States? Are they controlling our media, do you think?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: I don\u2019t lose sleep over it, to tell you the truth. I haven\u2019t heard it put exactly that way. I\u2019ve been going to Qatar for a while. They gave the President a nice plane, and it\u2019s not a danger to the American people. You know, if we were to calm down a little bit, we actually could have all the safety in the world we want. This is really, this is actually the truth. If we drop our angst on big bad Russia \u2013 actually we didn\u2019t have a chance to talk about it this time. Maybe another time \u2013 big bad China, which is also not going to invade the United States, not going to threaten us, not going to go to war with us. They\u2019re trying to deal with aging and they\u2019ve got their declining population and many other issues. Not that they\u2019re falling apart. It\u2019s a very impressive civilization, but they\u2019re not a threat to the United States, honestly. And Iran is not a threat. And now I\u2019ll add another country that\u2019s not threat: Qatar. And by the way, there are 193 UN member states and I would say 192 of them are not threats to the United States if we just behave with some prudence and don\u2019t get ourselves edging towards the nuclear war.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tucker Carlson<\/strong>: <em>Jeffrey Sachs, thank you very much.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeffrey Sachs<\/strong>: Great to be with you.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>yogaesoteric<br \/>\nJuly 18, 2025<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The recent interview given by Professor Jeffrey Sachs to American journalist Tucker Carlson manages to shed light on the most feared conflicts of today: Russia \u2013 Ukraine, but also the new attacks launched by Israel on Iranian territories. 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