Illuminati insider in 1969. ‘The New Order Of The Barbarians’ (7)


We continue the transcript of the third and final tape of the “New Order of Barbarians”. This interview by Randy Engel, Director of the U.S. Coalition for Life, with Dr. Larry Dunegan was taped on October 10, 1991 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

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Dr. Lawrence Dunegan (D.L.D.): … So yes, controlling the language… you THINK in your language. You think to yourself in English or Spanish or whatever language you’re familiar with, but when you think, you talk to yourself and you talk to yourself in words, just the way you talk to other people. And if you can control the language with which one person speaks to himself or one person speaks to another you’ve gone a long way towards controlling what that person is ABLE – what he is CAPABLE of thinking, and that has both an inclusionary and an exclusionary component to it. You set the tone….

Randy Engel (R.E.):
Take the word GAY, for example. I have some old tapes by Franz Layhar (sp?) and he talks about the GAY Hussars, you know… the happy soldiers… and now you couldn’t quite use that same word, could you? But you know, the word homosexual, sodomite has been replaced with the term “gay”, represents an ideology not only a word and when you use it, it’s tacit to saying, “Yes, I accept what your interpretation of this is”.

D.L.D.: They probably had a committee working for months to pick which word they were going to use for this. The word “gay” carries a connotation, first of all, which is inaccurate. Most homosexuals are not at all gay. They tend to be pretty unhappy people. Despite all the publicity that tells them they can and should feel comfortable with what they’re doing, most of them deep down inside don’t… (both talking at the same time here).

I suppose they’re going to come up with a sadophobia for those who have a hang-up about sadomasochism and a pedophobia for those who have difficulties with pedophilia, so we can just look forward to this I think. I guess we can look forward to it to the extent we permit ourselves… that we permit the opposition to have access to the brain.

D.L.D.: And to dictate the truth WE use. Sex education is NOT education. It’s conditioning, and we should never use the term “sex education”. It’s a misnomer. If they control the vocabulary, then they can control the way we can think and the way we can express ideas among ourselves and to anybody. But “sex conditioning”, “sex initiation” is much more accurate and we should insist on that. We should never use terms “homophobia” and “gay”. Homosexual is homosexual. It’s not at all gay.

That’s right. In fact we’re probably going to have to do some homework on… probably of all the popular movements in the U.S. Probably the pro-life movement is the most sensitive to words.

Talking about media events and access to the brain, I remember the first speech Bush gave in which he talked about the New World Order… I remember jumping halfway off my seat. That term. Here he is, the president, saying New World Order as if it was something everyone knew about. And someone looking across the room said, “I heard that. What did he say”? And I said, “He said, ‘New World Order’!” And they said, “What does that mean? Why is that extraordinary?”

So, I think one of the weapons we have against the controllers is that if we can cut off his access to our mind then we have a shot at escaping the manipulation, if not totally – at least escape a portion of the manipulations. Remember, one of the books on Chinese POWs pointed out that some of their survivors in order NOT to be brainwashed broke their eardrums. And in that way – not being able to hear – the enemy could not have access to their brain and therefore they were able to survive where others did not.

And in our popular culture we have a number of things… TV and radio probably primarily, that are the constant means by which the opposition has access to our brain and to our children’s brains. So I think the logical conclusion, and one of the common-sense conclusions is that if you don’t want the enemy to have access you have to cut off the lines of access… which would be in homes to simply either eliminate altogether, or control by other forms….

D.L.D.: Take the networks at there word. They say, “if you don’t like our programming, turn it off”. And we should. We should say, “Yeah. You’re right.” And we should turn it off. And let the advertisers spend their money on an audience that isn’t there.

As a pediatrician I’m always interested in how kids do things and how kids are like adults, and whether you’re talking about International politics where one nation goes to war with another or kids on the playground, there are certain things that are common. It’s just that kids on the playgrounds do it on a smaller scale. But you mention cutting off access to your brain… somebody says, I don’t want to hear it. And I remember hearing kids on a playground… somebody says… “ya-na-na na naa-na”, and they’re teasing the kid… What’s he do? He puts his hands over his ears. Says I’m not going to listen. And the kid who’s trying to torment him will try to pull his hands away and be sure that he listens. And it’s the same….

Words. Words entering. And the child knows. Words have meaning. They’re hurting him.

D.L.D.: Goebels knew it. Lenin knew it. CBS knows it. It’s interesting; the principle stands – across the board. It just gets more complicated as you get older. More sophisticated. But watch kids on a playground and you’ll learn a whole lot about adults.

Yes. We’re all nodding our heads at that one. This Dr. Day was very much into the whole population control establishment, and he was of course in favor of abortion. But as he started talking about the aged and euthanasia I recall one of the population-control books saying that birth control without death control was meaningless.

And one of the advantages in terms… if one was favorable toward the killing of the aged… one of the favorable things is in fact abortion for the simple reason that – universally speaking – abortion has the result of bringing about a rather inordinate chopping off of population at the front end. That is, at the birth end. And the inevitable effect is that you will have a population that is top heavy with a rapidly aging population which is the current state in the United States.

So, inevitably, if you are going to go about killing the young, especially at the pace we seem to have adapted ourselves to in this country, then invariably you’re going to have to do something about all those aging populations. Because, the few children who are born, after all, they cannot be expected to carry this tremendous burden of all these people. So you’re cutting one end and therefore, inevitably, as you pointed out on the tape, he was saying, “Well, these few young people who are permitted to be born will feel this inevitable burden on them and so they’ll be more desensitized.”

They’ll be more warmed up to the idea of grandma and grandpa having this little party and then shuffle them off to wherever they shuffle off to. And whether it’s taking the “demise” pill or going to a death camp, or….

D.L.D.: There was a movie out sometime back called “Soilant Green”. Remember that movie? I didn’t see the whole movie, but Edward G. Robinson liked to sit in the theatre and listen to Beethoven’s Pastoral Symphony as he was to take his demise pill.

That’s right. He also made the point that the food the people were eating were each other. But as he said, as long as it’s done with dignity and humanely… like putting away your horse.

D.L.D.: That’s a little bit like pornography. Years back kids would come across pornography. It was always poor photography and cheap paper. Then Playboy came out with the glossy pages and really good photography, so then pornography is no longer cheap. It’s respectable. We went to a movie at the Pittsburgh Playhouse. I took my son along. It was the Manchurian Candidate. During the previews of the things that are going to come there was a title I don’t remember but it was (inaudible) in technicolor with classical music in the background.

And it was a pornographic movie. And I said, well, if you have a guitar then it’s pornography; but if you have classical movie then it converts it into art. It was pornography.

It’s an example of what you were saying. As long as it’s done with dignity, that’s what counts. If you kill someone with dignity, it’s ok. If you have pornography with classical music it’s art. That was the point I was trying to make.

Again, talking about the family. Currently I know there are an awful lot of people who are out of jobs and he [Dr. Day] had quite a lot of things to say about, for example, heavy industry. I guess the shock was that this man… I wasn’t surprised that he knew a lot about population control, abortion, and at the other end – euthanasia.

But what DID surprise me was that he was an individual who was talking about religion, law, education, sports, entertainment, food… how could one individual have that much input? Now one could say, “well, it didn’t pan out”. But we know listening to these recollections twenty years later… except perhaps for some minor things, everything that he has said has come to pass and almost beyond imagination. How COULD one individual talk with such authoritative, non-questioning… that this was the way THIS was going to happen and THIS was going to happen in “fashion” and THIS was going to happen on TV and there were going to be video recorders before I ever heard of the word.

D.L.D.: I think what happens… certainly one individual hears this, but the plans are by no means made by one or a small number of individuals. Just as industrial corporations which have a board of directors, with people from all sorts of activities who sit on the board of this corporation, and they say, “Now if we do this to our product, or if we expand in this area what will that do to banking? What will that do to clothing? What will that do… what impact, ripple effect will that have on other things?” And I’m sure that whoever makes these plans they have representatives from every area you can think of.

So they’ll have educators, they’ll have clothing manufacturers – designers; architects… across the board. I’m sure they get together and have meetings and plan and everybody puts in his input, just the way a military operation goes. What will the Navy do? Will they bombard the shore? What will the Air Force do? Will they come in with air cover? What will the infantry do? It’s the same thing. These people, when they plan, they don’t miss a trick.

They have experts in every field and they say, “Well, if we do this, that and the other. John, what will that do to your operation?” And John will be in position to feed back, “Well this is what I think will happen.” So it certainly covers a broad range of people. And for one individual to be able to say all of this in the two hours that he spoke to us, really tells us that he was privy to a lot of information.

That’s right. He must have been sitting in on one of those boardrooms at least at some point. And I think not at the highest level from his position, but enough, because anyone in the population control would be associated with names of foundations… powerful foundations, powerful organizations…

D.L.D.: And I’m sure there was a lot in the plans that he never heard. He wasn’t a four-star general in this outfit. He wouldn’t be in on the whole story.

Well, too bad he couldn’t have talked for six hours instead of two, and we might have had a lot more information. There was another aspect that I found fascinating in listening to this. This whole aspect of privacy… he mentioned that as the private homes went by we would have individuals, non-family members perhaps sharing our apartments.

As I understand that is becoming more popular out in California. Could California and New York being the coast states, did he say… That’s right… PORT cities that bring in things so that they can eventually work their way to middle America. But this is about privacy. When he was talking, for example, about the area of sex, he made some interesting remarks. One of them that hit me like a ton of bricks was this business about; “We must be open about sex”. As if there can’t be any fear of the person that does not hesitate to open up to the public. Now, if you look at these so-called sex initiation programs in the schools where the children are forced either through writing or through verbal expression to talk about all aspects of the sexual sphere…
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D.L.D.: …. of our right to investigate even your sex life. Your money will be easy. We’ll have it all on computer. We’ll know more about it than you do. But we have to form a generation where the most intimate activity which two people can have is public, or can be public. Therefore, it’s harder to have any private thoughts and you can’t buck the system if everything you think and do is public knowledge. But the planners won’t be that open about their own lives. They’ll reserve their privacy. It’s for the rest of us.

Yes. Just like their listening to concerts and operas, but for the mass media they’re pumping in hard rock. That was another fascinating thing. For example, the… and I know this has come to pass because I deal with a lot of young people… the young people have their own radio stations for their music and adults have their own and never the twain shall meet. And when they do there’s usually a clash. And I think the same is probably true with a lot of the classical movies. I can remember when I was growing up and my dad had the radio on, I think it was a kind of general music. I didn’t say, “Dad, I don’t like that music; turn to another station”. Whereas now there is a fabricated generational gap which puts the family at the disadvantage.

D.L.D.: And it creates conflict within the family, which is one of the spin-off benefits to them. If you’re constantly fussing at your kids, you don’t like the music they’re playing, and they’re constantly fussing at you because they don’t like what you’re playing… that does bad things to the bonds of affection that you would like to be nurtured in the family.

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